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In Romanian, from TEL AVIV, sent Andrei Sivasanu, Bnei Baruch 'University', leading: prof. Laitman, by teaching of "Prophet", BAAL HA SULAM; (need translation romanian to english), message to entire trans personalRO@yahoogrou ps.com, "the best yahoogroup of year"-experimenting inflenced whole mindes, because, and themselves saying: "bad time; approaching", and the his title:"THE DIVINE CONSPIRATION", in fond suggest ""GOD's bad, DEVIL is good "" Then Kabballah teach: "GOD is bad? DEVILS are good?" DEVILS and goodness, you heard about? The same article induce onjustified panic , claiming:"World will ended in chaos", " fascism will fleurished"; and others stupid "predictions" - cause devil teach STATISTICS and PROBABILITIES, "Will have third and (maybe-BAAL HA SULAM is noy sure), will have 3-th and maybe 4th NOOK WORLD WARS" ,claim BAAL HA SULAM, teaching at TEL AVIV, at Bnei Baruch 'University'to prof Laitman and stugents in "SCIENCE"of KABBALLAH; I'll give to you the original message (in romanian);you could appels RomaniansComunities, for an most accurate translations; the body text: Adrian Silvasanu wrote: Colapsul financiar este inevitabil. Intr-o societate bazata pe profit, cineva intotdeauna va castiga si cineva intotdeauna va pierde. Si pentru ca cei care castiga devin mai puternici, este usor pentru ei sa castige si mai mult: mai multi bani si mai multa putere, in defavoarea celorlalti. Aceasta tendinta exista in toate societatile de pe pamant, prin urmare majoritatea bogatiei si puterii sunt intotdeauna concentrate in mainile unei infime minoritati. Ar fi rezonabil sa crezi ca aceasta deformatie sociala este rezultatul oamenilor corupti, ori a unui regim corupt, ori a unei structuri sociale corupte.. Dar ceea ce ramane este faptul ca indiferent de regim, indiferent de structura sociala si indiferent care oameni sunt la putere, toti perpetueaza acelasi model de baza prin care o minoritate bogata si puternica controleaza majoritatea. De aici apare intrebarea: “ Putem noi crea o structura justa si sustinuta care nu se bazeaza pe dorinta de profit? Raspunsul este “Nu”. Dorinta pentu profit este inerenta naturii umane si este motivatia fundamentala pentru tot ceea ce facem. In adevar, dorinta pentru profit este o alta cale de a intreba , “ Ce-mi iese mie?” Fara un castig, nu am fi capabili sa facem nimic, cu atat mai putin sa cream o structura sociala sustinuta. De fapt, dorinta de a castiga, si in special dorinta pentru superioritate este atat de evidenta, incat pare ca este o conspiratie Divina aici, o structura interioara, facuta in asa fel incat sa nu o putem infrange pentru ca este chiar natura noastra. Daca cercetezi scrierile cabalistilor contemporani, ca Baal HaSulam si altii, vei afla ca toti au confirmat aceasta enigma si au atentionat asupra acestui defect inerent naturii umane de secole. Mai mult, Baal HaSulam a declarat ca daca nu vom gasi un alt motiv alternativ pentu actiunile noastre, vom sfarsi intr-un haos total. Rezultatul dezordinii politice va naste regimuri fasciste si ruptura de durata dintre tari va culmina cu un al treilea sau un al patrulea razboi nuclear mondial. In timp ce aceste predictii pareau depasite cand au fost pentru prima data scrise, cu 60 de ani in urma, astazi ele par mult prea probabile pentru noi ca sa le ignoram. Criza, conform Cabalei, nu consta in prabusirea sistemului monetar. Criza este un simptom al naturii noastre egoiste. De aceea, solutia pentru toate crizele, incluzand cea actuala, consta in schimbarea naturii noastre dintr-o natura orientata spre profit intr-una orientata spre impartasirea reciproca.. La sfarsitul zilei, nu exista nicio problema care sa nu fie un rezultat al naturii noastre egoiste. Orice actiune pe care o facem trebuie sa urmareasca producerea unor bunuri. Aceasta este o trasatura normala. Dar daca putem schimba orientarea nostra de la beneficiul propriu la beneficiul colectiv, atunci nu vom crea doar o societate de colaborare intrinseca, dar bunastarea interioara a fiecaruia va fi garantata chiar de colectiv. Cu alte cuvinte, nu va trebui sa ne aparam singuri; intreaga societate o face pentru noi, iar noi, la fel, o vom face pentru intreaga societate. Intr-o asa societate, toate mecanismele de reglementare, fortele armate, constrangerile legale si colectarea taxelor vor fi de prisos. Crimele nu vor mai exista pentru ca nimeni nu va mai vrea sa raneasca o alta persoana. Din contra, oamenii nu vor vrea decat sa imparta si sa daruiasca. In mod natural, o mare cantitate de resurse si de oameni vor fi liberi sa se angajeze in intreprinderi de colaborare sociala. In cativa ani, lumea va fi atat de profund schimbata incat ne vom uita inapoi la zilele de exploatare si nu ne va veni sa credem cat de orbi am fost. Dar pentru a schimba natura umana de la una inerent egoista la una inerent integrala, ne trebuie o metoda care sa nu aiba legatura cu noi, asa incat sa nu ne sprijinim pe modul de operare egoist. Aici intelepciunea Cabalei ne vine in ajutor. Cabala este o stiinta care foloseste structurile integrale deja existente in natura indivizilor si asupra societatii umane in general. In toata natura, oamenii sunt singurele fiinte egoiste. Atomi, molecule, celule si organe toate colaboreaza in sisteme mai mari decat ele insele. Asa se intampla cu plantele si animalele. Totul in natura se potriveste perfect cu locul lui in sistem. Cu exceptia omului. Ai putea sa intrebi, “ De ce am fost construiti in contrast cu sistemul din care facem parte?” Raspunsul este, “ Nu exista o alta cale de a invata despre un sistem atunci cand esti in el.” Scopul vietii noastre nu este de a-i domina pe altii, este de a intelege si de a deveni integrati constient in natura cuprinzatoare. Intelepciunea Cabalei este o intelepciune a integrarii. Tehnicile ei ne permit sa aflam gradual locul nostru in univers, si pas cu pas sa ne integram in el. Articol preluat din ziarul KabToday si tradus de Angela Tipa Cu respect,Adrian http: / / groups. yahoo.com/ group/BB_ Kabbalah_ RO/ __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Polls | Calendar ******************** ********** IN ATENTIA MEMBRILOR ARPT !! 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Dozo, wakarimasu Nippon:ION TUDOR: Leave a Message iontudormath December 27, 2008 2:41 am " RECESSIONS AT DEMAND OF UNDERGROUND ECONOMY, WHICH JOKING WITH CAPITAL MARKETS FROM ENTIRE WORLD"- by ION TUDOR "OBAMA GOOD MEASURE CARS, RETAILERS, JOBS, REFOUND, CAPITALIZED MANY CORPORATION"- by ION TUDOR " OBAMA, NOW UNDER THREATNESS OF UNDERGROUND ECONOMY BANKING (NO "COSA NOSTRA")"- by ION TUDOR " FASCISM OF EUROPE PREPARED FOR WAR AGAINST UNDERGROUND ECONOMY&BANKING"- by ION TUDOR Leave a Message iontudormath December 27, 2008 2:23 am "RECESSIONS AT DEMAND" -by ION TUDOR "PLOTING AGAINST WORLD ECONOMY, STATE, PEOPLES, EUROPE FASCIST PREPARING FOR WAR AGAINST UNDERGROUND ECONOMY - WHO GIVE OR RETRAITED CAPITAL, JOKING WIT WHOLE WORLD MARKETS" -by ION TUDOR;Excuse me, iontudormath disturb for : 2) Dr.Matai sir, Yasuhiko Genku Mikura, Cynthia, Liz (I beg you to excuse me for do not know entire name for all), as I told to Dr. DK Matai, sooner, two or many economic systhems level'it i floors like in "Implicate Order"-by David Bohm, apparently unconnected or opposite, have in fact discret links and at the "first economic(like even quantum, in bohmian acception) level"-known in "real world"- are subposed an "like implicate order", structered on minimum two level (existential floor), in acord with our deterministic existential floors, floating on the Ocean of universal indetermination, first attaching with DESTINY, second associeted with FREE WILL- auto cited ION C. TUDOR from articles& in principal from "Mysteries of Time - A Theory of Transcendence", at site "KINGDOM OF TIME" -www.transcendental. gmail.com, URL = http: / / sites. google. com/ site/ mysteriesoftime, please download this book in format.pdf, by right click and 3-rth or 4-rth line left click, last aprox. 30 pages being write in my bad english with Anexe1,2,3,4(Appendi x); Continuing the under levels idea, when bottom levels need money, for ocult offers, to perssons, presidential campaigns or secret services, found migrates from surface to bottom levels -leadership, like: templars- M12-sionists banckers, i. e. in the Top; Top imply ocultated decisions, which induced science trends, religion trends, war trends, at top convenience. 3) About control of population, the survey of individ -you did'n't knew how many data was collected&archived by our humble perssons; threats ceed at two or three threats by death hiself or families- But my tuffer increased proportional with threatness by death(1&half years, adding five years comunists security pressure) at; Exerpting my humble persson, I think mankind will have no time to migrate in space in shuttles, rockets, saucers, Why? Increase speed, must build increasing powerfull engines; that suppose increased durity of shields, artif. grav. A sollution seems to be a vortex in space-time, in my oppinion described in the Anexe 1,3(Appendix) of mentioned book; synergethic solutions could be possible to cumul energies; 4) avoid direct contact by virtual computer with level furnished you services, apparently for nothing; you'll become slaves with ID in order; visit my google page and see an avoiding sign On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 12:25 AM, ion tudor wrote: Mr. Dr. Matai, sir, I thanks to you - in the first time - your humble iontudormath - for admited me in HQR, and at least, on "KINGDOM OF TIME" - http: / / sites. google. com/ site/ mysteriesoftime, where I posted "Mysteries of Time -A Theory of Transcendence" -by ION C. TUDOR, is representative in HQR: 1)The small investors are a soubteraine rope, govrned by unknown rules in the normal world -and explination for adaptative reaction is the responding of Holographic principle, and Anexa(Appendix)2, wrote in my bad english, demonstrate this Holographic Principle, functining fractalic, is obviouss the chain of transmition to small investitor; the reciprocal is true even in economy ; the lots of "small"investors lift up through this subtarrain (and is not "cosa nostra") network conducting to the top point7 reversal reaction assured fractalic transmission along this network, functioning like an organism, were the non-locality placed informations are instantaniouss installed in the whole organism; remember me into the next mail, to envolve relativity in my explanations, I hope my answer will be satisffied, Mr.Dr. Matai,sir On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:24 PM, e c robillard wrote: DK, Cynthia, Yasuhiko and all just a PS to my last post; I've come to my way of thinking after the best part of 35 years in seclusion / isolation due to fear of people and their assumptions, attitudes and cruelty. I've had rather a lot of time to study. If I could do anything now, to help the world, it would be to ensure all children have access to clean water and schools and to teach them -all children- agriculture, philosophy, science and the need for population control. Happy Holidays Elizabeth 2008/12/20 DK Matai Dear Cynthia, Yasuhiko and Liz Thank you for your outstanding comments. Much food for thought and still absorbing. Love DK with family On 20 Dec, 21:52, "Yasuhiko Genku Kimura" wrote: Dear DK: Delusion means "playing false with thought" while illusion means "playing false with perception" (and collusion means collective delusion or illusion). The delusion of wealth therefore is the false thought vis-à-vis what wealth is. Paper money, which originated as bank note or promissory note, is not real wealth, nor are financial instruments that are traded. This confusion of the real and the unreal is the source of the delusion of wealth. Unfortunately there are people in power who exploit this common delusion or collusion to their own advantage. Throughout the course of the current financial meltdown or breakdown, no real wealth has been lost. What is happening is a balancing process of readjustment in the relative valuation of real wealth as exchangeable assets. If the governments resist the temptation of interference in the form of various bail-out schemes, economy will relatively quickly recover and reach normalcy—the balanced equation of wealth/asset and its valuation. As you know, I compared the current economic breakdown with common cold and drug addiction. In terms of the latter, what we are experiencing is a withdrawal syndrome from the addiction of printing (counterfeit) paper money or of inflation. If we can endure the discomfort (in this case extreme discomfort) of this withdrawal syndrome together, we will be fine sooner than later. Thank you for the instructive anecdote from the Mahabharata. Sadly after many centuries of living on this planet we have not evolved much. The delusion/collusion of impermanence continues. You and I can analyze this and write books on the subject, but the fact does not change that humanity at large remains metaphysically asleep. What you and I can do is to be awake and to be an example of wakeful consciousness to the best of our ability and to invite as many people as possible to this open-ended evolutionary journey of awakening and transformation. In friendship, Yasuhiko Genku Kimura ge...@via-visioninac tion.org www. via-visioninaction. org Vision without action is empty. Action without vision is blind. Opinion and ideology divide. Quest and commitment unite. -------------- Original message from DK Matai : -------------- Dear Friends We were asked the other day about why the delusion of wealth persists? For example, ordinary investors watch a Madoff "Ponzi scheme" hedge fund collapse taking USD 50bn into a black hole and many stock market quoted companies lose 99% of their market capitalisation, ie, go from USD 25 bn to less than 500 mn. Yet, ordinary investors feel somehow that they will come good in all of their stock market bets and they diligently commit more funds to speculation on the markets just as -- the pied piper of Omaha -- Warren Buffett utters, "When others are greedy be fearful, and when others are fearful be greedy!" This reminds one of the teachings of The Great Spiritual Masters "On the Impermanence of Life and Wealth" by way of a revealing anecdote from The Mahabharata. The Socratic (truth seeking) dialogue between His Majesty King Yudhishtra and the Celestial Spirit "Yaksha" in the Mahabharata (circa 3,100 BC), one of the greatest Indian epics in Sanskrit, follows in short. The Yaksha -- Celestial Spirit, Guardian of Treasure -- asked King Yudhishtra -- The Wise, Just and Truthful Warrior -- a riddle: "What is the most astonishing thing in the world?" Completely intrepid -- although aware of the wrath of the Yaksha should his answer be wrong -- King Yudhishtra replied: "The strangest thing in the world is that people see others die daily, they even take their relatives to the cemetry, but everyone of them suffers from the delusion that they themselves are going to live for ever! Death is meant only for others!! Yet, the only certainty in life is death! Why do we all suffer from this delusion of our permanence? This is the most astonishing thing in the world." If there can be a lifelong "grand" delusion about such a grave matter -- pun intended! -- the "petit" delusion in regard to the illusion of wealth is neither here nor there! Background According to Indian mythology, the Yakshas are celestial beings -- generally benevolent although prone to fiery temper and total destruction -- bestowed with magical powers, who are the guardians of treasures of the earth and in the cosmos. Kuber is the king of the Yakshas. They make occasional visits to the earth, and jealously guard their privacy and prefer to avoid contact with the mortal beings. Humans, who run into the Yakshas by chance, do so at their own peril, for the Yakshas can be temperamental. These chance encounters may lead to something fortunate, or something unpleasant if not altogether terrible, for the humans often depending upon the latter's ability to provide satisfactory responses to the riddles posed by the Yaksha. Correct responses to the riddles usually involve a logic or wisdom that is typically beyond the reach of most mortal human beings. The phrase "Yaksha-Prashn" literally means questions or riddles posed by a Yaksha, and in the Indian literature, refer to exasperating or insurmountable challenges. [ENDS] We are grateful to all sources for the information presented. We welcome your thoughts, observations and views. Best wishes DK Matai -- ATCA, The Philanthropia, mi2g, HQR -- This is an "ATCA Open and Philanthropia Socratic Dialogue." The "ATCA Open" network on Facebook and LinkedIn is for professionals interested in ATCA's original global aims, working with ATCA step-by- step across the world, or developing tools supporting ATCA's objectives to build a better world. The original ATCA -- Asymmetric Threats Contingency Alliance -- is a philanthropic expert initiative founded in 2001 to resolve complex global challenges through collective Socratic dialogue and joint executive action to build a wisdom based global economy. Adhering to the doctrine of non-violence, ATCA addresses asymmetric threats and social opportunities arising from climate chaos and the environment; radical poverty and microfinance; geo-politics and energy; organised crime & extremism; advanced technologies -- bio, info, nano, robo & AI; demographic skews and resource shortages; pandemics; financial systems and systemic risk; as well as transhumanism and ethics. Present membership of the original ATCA network is by invitation only and has over 5,000 distinguished members from over 120 countries: including 1,000 Parliamentarians; 1,500 Chairmen and CEOs of corporations; 1,000 Heads of NGOs; 750 Directors at Academic Centres of Excellence; 500 Inventors and Original thinkers; as well as 250 Editors-in-Chief of major media. The Philanthropia, founded in 2005, brings together over 1,000 leading individual and private philanthropists, family offices, foundations, private banks, non-governmental organisations and specialist advisors to address complex global challenges such as countering climate chaos, reducing radical poverty and developing global leadership for the younger generation through the appliance of science and technology, leveraging acumen and finance, as well as encouraging collaboration with a strong commitment to ethics. Philanthropia emphasises multi- faith spiritual values: introspection, healthy living and ecology. Philanthropia Targets: Countering climate chaos and carbon neutrality; Eliminating radical poverty -- through micro-credit schemes, empowerment of women and more responsible capitalism; Leadership for the Younger Generation; and Corporate and social responsibility. 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"; find out into memory; never dealed with a SITE under ANONIMATE UMBRELA? ON THIS FOUND EUROPE, BOILLED IN FASCISM, by Majestc 12, PLAN TO BEGIN THE WAR AGAINST BANDITS WITH YOUR HANDS IN YOURS POCKETS& STORES OR WOMEN's PORT- MONEY or CREDIT CARD --~--~---------~--~- ---~------------~--- ----~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Web 2.0 Strategies" group. To post to this group, send email to web-2 0-strategies@googleg roups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web-20-strategies+unsub scribe@googlegroups. com For more options, visit this group at http: / / groups. google. com/ group/ web-20-strategies? hl=en -~----------~----~-- --~----~------~----~ ------~--~--- --~--~---------~--~- ---~------------~--- ----~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Holistic Quantum Relativity (HQR)" group. 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