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YARO my frind, today, when i've weak'd up, aprox. 14:00, The comunity horriffying by previouss mes mesages (in Kangourouse tongue - from your manual:"how I can become a blogger"- always a rethorical question), I received many threatness; being upon the sleep encore, j'etais enervee deja, et c'est message qui crache les profondes someiles, "make me sing and shout"-do not worry, just "Beatles"-Sir Mc Cartney Paul Featuring, " Thats Jo JO's all my ways, oh my my my mymy my oh mine!"-same source& I'd ask PC!- Hey, you forgot whole I teach you! Be a gentillomme, ne pas laisez les hommes d'un grand souffrir; parce que les questions solitaires, avec aucun repondrante, mistiffie les bon manieres et la consequance, comme Gauss& Riemann used to say, c'est un mol desordonee de la sport nationalle de la France: rugby- terms with refferance aux UK, US, DEUSCHLAND, VIKINGLAND, thor Heyerdahl avec son Kon Tikki- guess who did demonstrait& si est encroyable, mais c'est trouvement vrai aux vraiment, la civilization egyptian est relationaite avec les pre columbiens aztec, incash, peyota&New Age; Mais c'est le future and Y give you after a short(stay a moment to change compilators)retrossp ectiff d'un "smog a la Londre", passez mais jamais oubliez, les news of the present, L&G, from UK, USA, INDIA, NIPPON(Konichi wa): "sad, but true!"- "Mettalicca": When I lay me down to sleep/Pray THE LORD my soul to keep/ IF i DIE BEFORE I awake/ Pray THE LORD my SOUL TO TAKE.....ENTER LIGHT, EXIT LIGHT..." " Bonjour monsieur Ouriel; quand vous pasez aux eternitez, rememorez qulle que passage d'un Rois de la France, Phillippe le Beaux, Henry 4-ieme de Navarre, aux toutes les Galles, Vercigetorix (The dacian TIME "god"), is caled ZAMOLXIS& was unique chieff on charge; He, through great priest DECENEUS, advisor of BUREBISTA the KING of dacian EMPIRE, from VIENA to ODDESSA, from North of Macedonia(GREECE)to WARSHAW, affritend even ROMAN EMPIRE; those they not dare to attack BUREBISTA; HE had 200,000 soldiers:THREE LAWS: 1)destroyed the all sources of drink 2)daily military exercises; 3)obey officer's orders Ce soir c'est un temporaile decalage, pour un en avant aux temps, parce q' ill'y'a besoin de reparee les movaiss bouche, qui'll ete ignitfiee contre le trouve en vederait " There is the 2nd day, since a horiffying man & his Company, Multinational, with a sedium in Bucuresti, RO, add by him to ... Kroupp Steel, alias code: Patrascu Miclut send me threatness messagess looking at our kids; 1year&half since the threatness by death canot be stoped for good; another man, maybe act different; the russian FIREGUNS are near, is CHEEAP, we afford even a missiles launcher, but, ...for what?... Romanians, stayed by centuries inner own borders; Twice SCHWARTZ attack:1)Austro-Hung arian Empire, in addition, Russian Tzarist White Army, Bulgarian Army, makes the fomanian Army at rabic actions; But GOD LORD sent Red Army, and TZAR ARMY was hyper-EMPLOYED; In 3 (three days, bulgarians was back under Danubius, Donaris,flave), and the "schwartz" wants to be with himself; LORD THE GOD, gave us a lession: 80% of Romanian teritory was quenqered; The romanian Headquarters, have A Major, Saint-Cyr officer Mylitarry school; & With General Bherthelot, Major Antonescu elaborate a concept:"FROM HERE THERE IS ANY PASS FORWARD" and told to soldiers, in your zone I have anymore families, your girls was rapt by enemies, your houses burn in fire; tha Austrohungarian army is celebrating-by Garry Gllitter Band; meanwhile romanian army surround it , moving& sliding and with 1or 2 bullets, but with long, long knifes, just in pants, gave the attack of their lives and HABSBURG HOUSE of AUSTRIA, "SCHWARTZ" be with them, was destroyed; In Encarta, says eng. Henry Coanda was french engineur; FALSED: this man, inventing the first REACTOR ENGINE INTO A PLAINE, THE SPATIAL-AERO-DYNE-pl ans at Military Romanian Museum and AREA 5+1=7 (see: ALIEN MATH - je vous remercy les bien vue comaintaires of ALIEN MATH from SCI. MATH to saying my book "Mysteries of Time-A Theory of Trancendence"- I use ALIEN. MATH, ALIEN PHYSICS); As far as I know human believes ALIEN having superior knowledge, THAN MY ALIEN MATH or ALIEN PHYSICS-is a great Compliment- SURE IS ALIEN, if many of us considers LORD an ALIEN; HE by HAR&HOLY GHOST gave me THIS KNOWLEDGE; many friends told me: DO you REALLY want, your book to be UNDERSTOOD AFTER 25,50 YEARS ?); I said: GALOIS WROTE THIS GORGEOUSS THEORY IN PRISON, AFTER A DUEL, poor EVARISTE (21 years old at "in BODY's DEATH"); 2_ 2nd EMPIRE DESTROYED by ROMANIA was TURKISH ONE. KINGS KAROL I and his son KING FERDINAND I, PRUSSAK's HOCHENZOLERN und SIEGMARINGEN was THE TWO VENERATED EMPIRES-CONQUERORS, KING's of ROMANIAN KINGDOM; LANGUAGE:"latina vulgaris " : and know L&G just a moment year: 1989..., 1990,...1996,...2000 , ...2008-2009 Anno di DOMINI: " SOME PEOPLE TRY TO ACUSE ME ! THE TRUTH IS FOR PUBLIC OPPINIONS DEBATES, AND ALL I BRING FOR YOU, IT'S WHAT I FOUND, NOT BY DIGG FOR, show in my profile: I'm not member at DIGG; ALL I GET TO YOU IS THE LOGIC CONCLUSION AT ORIGINAL MESAGESS, and OLD DOCUMENTS; ALL SOURCES ARE BY LIGHT, JUST DISCOVERIES; WHY SOMEBODY ACUSE ME FOR SOME GIFTS, PART OF GOD? SOME PEOPLE, MAYBE, DARE TO BLAME GOD??? YOU, SCIENTISTS WHICH DON'T believes in STORIES, BECAUSE MANY SCIENTISTS BELIEVE IN GOD, THE SWORD OF TRUTH IS FOR our GOD a joke & A WEAPPON !!! TAKE A LOOK AN THE ORIGINAL MESSAGES THAT I RECEIVED: All discriminate in the sens of non-guilty by non-combat this poor Phylantrop (look what you can do spending your money, for be acused- me, I recognized D K Matai, IBM Dr. is unchargable with any counter laws guilt)D K Matai, IBM Dr. front of all; The money is the Phinanzister Problem; If they are hebrew, this is not anibody's fault; They want so much money; their POLICY have on basiss a message sent by Kroll Dontnowho to "ELITE BANKERS"; Don't Blame Myself ! I placed all into "DOCUMENTS ", see: " _AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ". Considere this like a short report if you wish, but beyond original documents, your highness, You must recognize, I was the finder of documents; Thats all folks!!! On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 1:55 PM, obama-fan-clubs-orde r group wrote: OBAMA FAN CLUB's ORDER http: / / groups. google. com/ group/ obama-fan-clubs-orde r? hl=en obama -fan-clubs-order@goo glegroups.com Today's topics: * Vizualizaţi această pagină ""ALIEN.MATH/D K Matai/ATCA/Kill for GLOBAL - 1 messages, 1 author http: / / groups. google. com/ group/ obama-fan-clubs-orde r/ t/ c2a3d4e6c8f06188? hl=en * Vizualizaţi această pagină "ELITE BANKERS POLICY-23.nov.2008" - 1 messages, 1 author http: / / groups. google. com/ group/ obama-fan-clubs-orde r/ t/ 6a34e59079cc3f35? hl=en ==================== ==================== ==================== ================== TOPIC: Vizualizaţi această pagină ""ALIEN.MATH/D K Matai/ATCA/Kill for GLOBAL http: / / groups. google. com/ group/ obama-fan-clubs-orde r/ t/ c2a3d4e6c8f06188? hl=en ==================== ==================== ==================== ================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 2:01 pm From: "Ion Tudor- administrator \"OBAMA FAN CLUB's ORDER\"" ANY LINK CANOT FUNCTION CAUSE ALL IS UNIFIED IN DK MATAI SENT/REPLY WITH ME-ION C. TUDOR. FOR EXPLINATIONS:E-MAIL: iontu dormath@gmail.com POSTED on MyBlogLog.com, t6o at comunities from whole world, ION C. TUDOR Faceţi clic pe http: / / groups. google. com/ group/ obama-fan-clubs-orde r/ web/ alien-math-d-k-matai -atca-kill-for-globa lisation-army-dont-d eny - sau, dacă link-ul nu funcţionează, copiaţi şi inseraţi adresa în bara de adrese a browser-ului dvs. ==================== ==================== ==================== ================== TOPIC: Vizualizaţi această pagină "ELITE BANKERS POLICY-23.nov.2008" http: / / groups. google. com/ group/ obama-fan-clubs-orde r/ t/ 6a34e59079cc3f35? hl=en ==================== ==================== ==================== ================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 3:18 pm From: "Ion Tudor- administrator "OBAMA FAN CLUB's ORDER"" Reading this page, You'll see what was affraid D K Matai, indeed an IBM Dr., Phylantropist, founding ATCA; WHY ATCA begun to kill for GLOBILIZE? Maybe this BANKERS ELITE-POLICY DEBATE and the NEXT war from ISRAEL will convicted about D K Matai black Hole, suck in Underground economy YOUR MONEY, THATS FOR IS "RECESSION"; BUT SEE THE LAST PAGE- is CLEARLLY LIKE DAY LIGHT- ELITE BANKERS sustain ARMY FACTORIES& provokes all WARS in the WORLD; SHOCK: NORTH WESTERN EUROPE's FASCIST's and MIDDLE WEST of USA, READY TO GIVE THE MORTAL HIT TO ZIONISM Faceţi clic pe http: / / groups. google. ro/ group/ obama-fan-clubs-orde r/ web/ elite-bankers-policy -23-nov-2008? hl=ro - sau, dacă link-ul nu funcţionează, copiaţi şi inseraţi adresa în bara de adrese a browser-ului dvs. ==================== ==================== ==================== ================== You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OBAMA FAN CLUB's ORDER" group. To post to this group, send email to obama-fan-clubs-orde r-garchive-72874@ googlegroups.com or visit http: / / groups. google. com/ group/ obama-fan-clubs-orde r? hl=en To unsubscribe from this group, send email to obama-fan-clubs-orde r+unsub scribe@googlegroups. com To change the way you get mail from this group, visit: http: / / groups. google. com/ group/ obama-fan-clubs-orde r/ subscribe? hl=en To report abuse, send email explaining the problem to abuse @googlegroups.com ==================== ==================== ==================== ================== Google Groups: http: / / groups. google. com/ ? hl=en " awesome" " iontudormath January 02, 2009 10:12 am LES GRANDES EXPLOSIONS DE L'HISTOIRE(s)-avec awesome, le 15-eme message depuis cela du USA president, Monsieur Barack Obama: Mes Amis, c'est une situation flemboiyante avec NOTRE/VOTRE ARGENTS, falling into the UNDERGROUND ECONOMY, a VORTEX, a Black Hole...by awesome... but I'm in hurry; excusee moi! C'est vraiment que Phillipe le Beuax, trouve un Heresy, amppliffiee par National Geografic, par un documaintaire avec l'adorer du Baphometh, un craine mumifiee (aussi la collection de la Reige Margot), qui a permetre a l'amitieux Rois Phillipe le Beaux, de martirisee les Templieres, aux Place de la Greve peut etre et avec un grave menace addresez d'un Judee pour eliminee le ultime crediteur de la Royalitee Francaise, ces deux "lois" de la maine fortes, permaitre a ces Majestais du'n mouvant politique extraordinaire: La Pappalitee aux Avignon, en 1300 et une peu... : " NO COMENT:awesome, since 23.nov. 2008, 8-th message after USA president Barack Obama, ELITE BANKERS PLANS, BEFORE GAZA WAR , probable the black hole of D K Matai, IBM Dr., Phylantropist, maybe I made a mistake for his exit cleaning the tracks; perhaps those ATCA- he says, for GLOBALISM began to kill in 2001-2002, founded by him, but probably auto excluded, or reamains under threatness for image of ATCA, and COYOTIES ELITE BANKERS, original message since 23.nov. 2008-by awesome, the 9-th message after president-elect of USA, Mr. Barack Obama: " Mr. president, the importants bankers plan, was the results of almost man, receiving by inspiration, the important message thet you, Mr. OBAMA, will be the future president; this supposed from important bankers, a reaction, to form what D K Matai call an economic black-hole; Why? Because the underground economy using the "methods of Recession(s)" or"Crisis", when the political spheres no EQUALING IN EXPECTETIONS THIS UNDER-BANKING COYOTIES; Well, the war spend money, and for OTHERS make A LOT OF BIGGER MONEY; after my evening today expertise, was already the most CLEAR, IMPORTANT BANKERS, IN SECRETS MESSAGES, RE- DIRECT, and RE- TRASAIE LES CONTOURES DES NEW ECONOMIC POLICY, GLOBAL, THIS TIME. Thats the pure explanation for I was threated and provoked in the time if I write, yesterday on TAGGED somebody threats my kids; Anyway look up the document, from the point of my mouse, 10 min ago collected: " 1. Hank Kroll Vizualizaţi profil Ascundeţi opţiunile 23 Noi 2008, 20:03 De la: Hank Kroll Data: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:03:24 -0800 (PST) Local: Dum 23 Noi 2008 20:03 Subiect: Bankers Manifesto Răspundeţi | Răspundeţi autorului | Redirecţionare | Imprimare | Mesaj individual | Arată originalul | Raportaţi acest mesaj | Găsiţi mesajele după acest autor The BANKERS MANIFESTO was distributed to a private group of elite bankers. “We (the bankers) must proceed with caution and guard every move made, for the lower order of the people are already showing signs of restless commotion. Prudence will therefore show a policy of apparently yielding to the popular will until our plans are so far consummated that we can declare our designs without fear of any organized resistance. “The Farmers Alliance and Knights of Labor organizations in the United States should be carefully watched by our trusted men, and we must take immediate steps to control these organizations in our interest or disrupt them. “At the coming Omaha convention to be held July 4, our men must attend and direct its movements, or else there will be set on foot such antagonism to our designs as may require force to overcome. This at the present time would be premature. We are not yet ready for such a crisis. Capitol must protect itself in every possible manner through combination (conspiracy) and legislation. “The courts must be called to our aid, debts must be collected, bonds and mortgages foreclosed as rapidly as possible. “When through the process of law, the common people have lost their homes, they will be more tractable and easily governed through the influence of the strong arm of government applied to a central power of imperial wealth under the control of the leading financiers. People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. “History repeats itself in regular cycles. This truth is well known among our principal men who are engaged in forming an imperialism of the world. While they are doing this, the people must be kept in a state of political antagonism. “The question of tariff reform must be urged through the organization known as the Democratic Party, and the question of protection with the reciprocity must be forced to view through the Republican Party. “By thus dividing voters, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us, except as teachers to the common herd. Thus by discrete action, we can secure all that has been so generously planned and successfully accomplished.” Dated this third day of March, 1892. The above was reprinted from the book, “Economic Pinch” written by the late Charles A. Lindberg, Sr. which was first published in 1923. The Bankers Manifesto of June 1892 was not intended for public reading, but was propaganda to hold the big bankers together. Permission was not needed to reprint the above as it predates copy write law. How can we learn from history when young people are graduating from government-mandated school systems that cannot read? Our very survival depends on self-education. My book, The Frog is Cooked, filled with historic writings like the above and the Report From Iron Mountain is available at all major book suppliers and my web sites: www. GuardDogBooks. com and www. AlaskaPublishing. com Răspundeţi Răspundeţi autorului Redirecţionare Evaluaţi această postare: Creaţi un grup - Grupuri Google - Pagina de pornire Google - Termenii serviciului - Politica de confidenţialitate ©2009 Google" - iontudormath awesome"" iontudormath December 29, 2008 3:32 am Monsieur Ouriel, vous eligee votre nome, Bonjour ry allez les Francaise; je veut que tu etez tres teceptiff a mes letres, mais j'etende de votre part une confirmation que vous plasez le message pour toutes les francaise, pour tout que vous considerez plus important dans le media en Fance et avec a long penetration dans notre viex Europe: Mon message , voici, pour le jour suivante rt le contraire de derniere message qu'ill je veux vous sentir; mon consideration, ION TUDOR, et un auyre vrais text: " In Romanian, from TEL AVIV, sent Andrei Sivasanu, Bnei Baruch 'University', leading: prof. Laitman, by teaching of "Prophet", BAAL HA SULAM; (need translation romanian to english), message to entire trans personalRO@yahoogrou ps.com, "the best yahoogroup of year"-experimenting inflenced whole mindes, because, and themselves saying: "bad time; approaching", and the his title:"THE DIVINE CONSPIRATION", in fond suggest ""GOD's bad, DEVIL is good "" Then Kabballah teach: "GOD is bad? DEVILS are good?" DEVILS and goodness, you heard about? The same article induce onjustified panic , claiming:"World will ended in chaos", " fascism will fleurished"; and others stupid "predictions" - cause devil teach STATISTICS and PROBABILITIES, "Will have third and (maybe-BAAL HA SULAM is noy sure), will have 3-th and maybe 4th NOOK WORLD WARS" ,claim BAAL HA SULAM, teaching at TEL AVIV, at Bnei Baruch 'University'to prof Laitman and stugents in "SCIENCE"of KABBALLAH; I'll give to you the original message (in romanian);you could appels RomaniansComunities, for an most accurate translations; the body text: Adrian Silvasanu wrote: Colapsul financiar este inevitabil. Intr-o societate bazata pe profit, cineva intotdeauna va castiga si cineva intotdeauna va pierde. Si pentru ca cei care castiga devin mai puternici, este usor pentru ei sa castige si mai mult: mai multi bani si mai multa putere, in defavoarea celorlalti. Aceasta tendinta exista in toate societatile de pe pamant, prin urmare majoritatea bogatiei si puterii sunt intotdeauna concentrate in mainile unei infime minoritati. Ar fi rezonabil sa crezi ca aceasta deformatie sociala este rezultatul oamenilor corupti, ori a unui regim corupt, ori a unei structuri sociale corupte.. Dar ceea ce ramane este faptul ca indiferent de regim, indiferent de structura sociala si indiferent care oameni sunt la putere, toti perpetueaza acelasi model de baza prin care o minoritate bogata si puternica controleaza majoritatea. De aici apare intrebarea: “ Putem noi crea o structura justa si sustinuta care nu se bazeaza pe dorinta de profit? Raspunsul este “Nu”. Dorinta pentu profit este inerenta naturii umane si este motivatia fundamentala pentru tot ceea ce facem. In adevar, dorinta pentru profit este o alta cale de a intreba , “ Ce-mi iese mie?” Fara un castig, nu am fi capabili sa facem nimic, cu atat mai putin sa cream o structura sociala sustinuta. De fapt, dorinta de a castiga, si in special dorinta pentru superioritate este atat de evidenta, incat pare ca este o conspiratie Divina aici, o structura interioara, facuta in asa fel incat sa nu o putem infrange pentru ca este chiar natura noastra. Daca cercetezi scrierile cabalistilor contemporani, ca Baal HaSulam si altii, vei afla ca toti au confirmat aceasta enigma si au atentionat asupra acestui defect inerent naturii umane de secole. Mai mult, Baal HaSulam a declarat ca daca nu vom gasi un alt motiv alternativ pentu actiunile noastre, vom sfarsi intr-un haos total. Rezultatul dezordinii politice va naste regimuri fasciste si ruptura de durata dintre tari va culmina cu un al treilea sau un al patrulea razboi nuclear mondial. In timp ce aceste predictii pareau depasite cand au fost pentru prima data scrise, cu 60 de ani in urma, astazi ele par mult prea probabile pentru noi ca sa le ignoram. Criza, conform Cabalei, nu consta in prabusirea sistemului monetar. Criza este un simptom al naturii noastre egoiste. De aceea, solutia pentru toate crizele, incluzand cea actuala, consta in schimbarea naturii noastre dintr-o natura orientata spre profit intr-una orientata spre impartasirea reciproca.. La sfarsitul zilei, nu exista nicio problema care sa nu fie un rezultat al naturii noastre egoiste. Orice actiune pe care o facem trebuie sa urmareasca producerea unor bunuri. Aceasta este o trasatura normala. Dar daca putem schimba orientarea nostra de la beneficiul propriu la beneficiul colectiv, atunci nu vom crea doar o societate de colaborare intrinseca, dar bunastarea interioara a fiecaruia va fi garantata chiar de colectiv. Cu alte cuvinte, nu va trebui sa ne aparam singuri; intreaga societate o face pentru noi, iar noi, la fel, o vom face pentru intreaga societate. Intr-o asa societate, toate mecanismele de reglementare, fortele armate, constrangerile legale si colectarea taxelor vor fi de prisos. Crimele nu vor mai exista pentru ca nimeni nu va mai vrea sa raneasca o alta persoana. Din contra, oamenii nu vor vrea decat sa imparta si sa daruiasca. In mod natural, o mare cantitate de resurse si de oameni vor fi liberi sa se angajeze in intreprinderi de colaborare sociala. In cativa ani, lumea va fi atat de profund schimbata incat ne vom uita inapoi la zilele de exploatare si nu ne va veni sa credem cat de orbi am fost. Dar pentru a schimba natura umana de la una inerent egoista la una inerent integrala, ne trebuie o metoda care sa nu aiba legatura cu noi, asa incat sa nu ne sprijinim pe modul de operare egoist. Aici intelepciunea Cabalei ne vine in ajutor. Cabala este o stiinta care foloseste structurile integrale deja existente in natura indivizilor si asupra societatii umane in general. In toata natura, oamenii sunt singurele fiinte egoiste. Atomi, molecule, celule si organe toate colaboreaza in sisteme mai mari decat ele insele. Asa se intampla cu plantele si animalele. Totul in natura se potriveste perfect cu locul lui in sistem. Cu exceptia omului. Ai putea sa intrebi, “ De ce am fost construiti in contrast cu sistemul din care facem parte?” Raspunsul este, “ Nu exista o alta cale de a invata despre un sistem atunci cand esti in el.” Scopul vietii noastre nu este de a-i domina pe altii, este de a intelege si de a deveni integrati constient in natura cuprinzatoare. Intelepciunea Cabalei este o intelepciune a integrarii. Tehnicile ei ne permit sa aflam gradual locul nostru in univers, si pas cu pas sa ne integram in el. Articol preluat din ziarul KabToday si tradus de Angela Tipa Cu respect,Adrian http: / / groups. yahoo.com/ group/BB_ Kabbalah_ RO/ __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Polls | Calendar ******************** ********** IN ATENTIA MEMBRILOR ARPT !! 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TUDOR, encore une fois; le team est tres jalouse pour mes resource; mais je risk mon droite man pour suivres les enemies dans leur propres maison; est risquant de cherchez par l'oriffice du clue, ou le proprietaire a cache la cassette con le colier du Reigne; alors, ce quoi ca? je dite vous que les suivante s motes ce sont une copy d'un document que je le crois vrais: " CASES OF SPIES/TERORISTS, ARMY DON'T DENY:"FROM New York TIME Archive"- DK Matai, Dr. IBM, Philantropist, founding many fellowships, like ATCA, which began to kill, for his objective-GLOBALIZAT ION-by ION C. TUDOR; I attach the next "as is": " ~--~----~----------- -~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Holistic Quantum Relativity (HQR)" group. To post to this group, send email to holistic- quant um-relativity-hqr@go oglegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to holistic-quantum-rel ativity-hqr +unsub scribe@googlegroups. com For more options, visit this group at http: / / groups. google. co. uk/ group/ holistic-quantum-rel ativity-hqr? hl=en -~----------~----~-- --~----~------~----~ ------~--~--- ion t P.S. enjoy the real answers, like, entire word comunity - Show quoted text - Reply Forward Your message has been sent. ion tudor to holistic-quant. show details 1:00 PM (3 hours ago) Reply Leave a Message iontudormath December 27, 2008 2:41 am " RECESSIONS AT DEMAND OF UNDERGROUND ECONOMY, WHICH JOKING WITH CAPITAL MARKETS FROM ENTIRE WORLD"- by ION TUDOR "OBAMA GOOD MEASURE CARS, RETAILERS, JOBS, REFOUND, CAPITALIZED MANY CORPORATION"- by ION TUDOR " OBAMA, NOW UNDER THREATNESS OF UNDERGROUND ECONOMY BANKING (NO "COSA NOSTRA")"- by ION TUDOR " FASCISM OF EUROPE PREPARED FOR WAR AGAINST UNDERGROUND ECONOMY&BANKING"- by ION TUDOR Leave a Message iontudormath December 27, 2008 2:23 am "RECESSIONS AT DEMAND" -by ION TUDOR "PLOTING AGAINST WORLD ECONOMY, STATE, PEOPLES, EUROPE FASCIST PREPARING FOR WAR AGAINST UNDERGROUND ECONOMY - WHO GIVE OR RETRAITED CAPITAL, JOKING WIT WHOLE WORLD MARKETS" -by ION TUDOR;Excuse me, iontudormath disturb for : 2) Dr.Matai sir, Yasuhiko Genku Mikura, Cynthia, Liz (I beg you to excuse me for do not know entire name for all), as I told to Dr. DK Matai, sooner, two or many economic systhems level'it i floors like in "Implicate Order"-by David Bohm, apparently unconnected or opposite, have in fact discret links and at the "first economic(like even quantum, in bohmian acception) level"-known in "real world"- are subposed an "like implicate order", structered on minimum two level (existential floor), in acord with our deterministic existential floors, floating on the Ocean of universal indetermination, first attaching with DESTINY, second associeted with FREE WILL- auto cited ION C. TUDOR from articles& in principal from "Mysteries of Time - A Theory of Transcendence", at site "KINGDOM OF TIME" -www.transcendental. gmail.com, URL = http: / / sites. google. com/ site/ mysteriesoftime, please download this book in format.pdf, by right click and 3-rth or 4- rth line left click, last aprox. 30 pages being write in my bad english with Anexe1,2,3,4(Appendi x); Continuing the under levels idea, when bottom levels need money, for ocult offers, to perssons, presidential campaigns or secret services, found migrates from surface to bottom levels -leadership, like: templars- M12-sionists banckers, i. e. in the Top; Top imply ocultated decisions, which induced science trends, religion trends, war trends, at top convenience. 3) About control of population, the survey of individ -you did'n't knew how many data was collected&archived by our humble perssons; threats ceed at two or three threats by death hiself or families- But my tuffer increased proportional with threatness by death(1&half years, adding five years comunists security pressure) at; Exerpting my humble persson, I think mankind will have no time to migrate in space in shuttles, rockets, saucers, Why? Increase speed, must build increasing powerfull engines; that suppose increased durity of shields, artif. grav. A sollution seems to be a vortex in space-time, in my oppinion described in the Anexe 1,3(Appendix) of mentioned book; synergethic solutions could be possible to cumul energies; 4) avoid direct contact by virtual computer with level furnished you services, apparently for nothing; you'll become slaves with ID in order; visit my google page and see an avoiding sign On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 12:25 AM, ion tudor wrote: Mr. Dr. Matai, sir, I thanks to you - in the first time - your humble iontudormath - for admited me in HQR, and at least, on "KINGDOM OF TIME" -http: / / sites. google. com/ site/ mysteriesoftime, where I posted "Mysteries of Time -A Theory of Transcendence" -by ION C. TUDOR, is representative in HQR: 1)The small investors are a soubteraine rope, govrned by unknown rules in the normal world -and explination for adaptative reaction is the responding of Holographic principle, and Anexa(Appendix)2, wrote in my bad english, demonstrate this Holographic Principle, functining fractalic, is obviouss the chain of transmition to small investitor; the reciprocal is true even in economy ; the lots of "small"investors lift up through this subtarrain (and is not "cosa nostra") network conducting to the top point7 reversal reaction assured fractalic transmission along this network, functioning like an organism, were the non-locality placed informations are instantaniouss installed in the whole organism; remember me into the next mail, to envolve relativity in my explanations, I hope my answer will be satisffied, Mr.Dr. Matai,sir On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:24 PM, e c robillard wrote: DK, Cynthia, Yasuhiko and all just a PS to my last post; I've come to my way of thinking after the best part of 35 years in seclusion / isolation due to fear of people and their assumptions, attitudes and cruelty. I've had rather a lot of time to study. If I could do anything now, to help the world, it would be to ensure all children have access to clean water and schools and to teach them -all children- agriculture, philosophy, science and the need for population control. Happy Holidays Elizabeth 2008/12/20 DK Matai Dear Cynthia, Yasuhiko and Liz Thank you for your outstanding comments. Much food for thought and still absorbing. Love DK with family On 20 Dec, 21:52, "Yasuhiko Genku Kimura" wrote: Dear DK: Delusion means "playing false with thought" while illusion means "playing false with perception" (and collusion means collective delusion or illusion). The delusion of wealth therefore is the false thought vis-à-vis what wealth is. Paper money, which originated as bank note or promissory note, is not real wealth, nor are financial instruments that are traded. This confusion of the real and the unreal is the source of the delusion of wealth. Unfortunately there are people in power who exploit this common delusion or collusion to their own advantage. Throughout the course of the current financial meltdown or breakdown, no real wealth has been lost. What is happening is a balancing process of readjustment in the relative valuation of real wealth as exchangeable assets. If the governments resist the temptation of interference in the form of various bail-out schemes, economy will relatively quickly recover and reach normalcy—the balanced equation of wealth/asset and its valuation. As you know, I compared the current economic breakdown with common cold and drug addiction. In terms of the latter, what we are experiencing is a withdrawal syndrome from the addiction of printing (counterfeit) paper money or of inflation. If we can endure the discomfort (in this case extreme discomfort) of this withdrawal syndrome together, we will be fine sooner than later. Thank you for the instructive anecdote from the Mahabharata. Sadly after many centuries of living on this planet we have not evolved much. The delusion/collusion of impermanence continues. You and I can analyze this and write books on the subject, but the fact does not change that humanity at large remains metaphysically asleep. What you and I can do is to be awake and to be an example of wakeful consciousness to the best of our ability and to invite as many people as possible to this open-ended evolutionary journey of awakening and transformation. In friendship, Yasuhiko Genku Kimura ge...@via-visioninac tion.org www. via-visioninaction. orgVision without action is empty. Action without vision is blind. Opinion and ideology divide. Quest and commitment unite. -------------- Original message from DK Matai : -------------- Dear Friends We were asked the other day about why the delusion of wealth persists? For example, ordinary investors watch a Madoff "Ponzi scheme" hedge fund collapse taking USD 50bn into a black hole and many stock market quoted companies lose 99% of their market capitalisation, ie, go from USD 25 bn to less than 500 mn. Yet, ordinary investors feel somehow that they will come good in all of their stock market bets and they diligently commit more funds to speculation on the markets just as -- the pied piper of Omaha -- Warren Buffett utters, "When others are greedy be fearful, and when others are fearful be greedy!" This reminds one of the teachings of The Great Spiritual Masters "On the Impermanence of Life and Wealth" by way of a revealing anecdote from The Mahabharata. The Socratic (truth seeking) dialogue between His Majesty King Yudhishtra and the Celestial Spirit "Yaksha" in the Mahabharata (circa 3,100 BC), one of the greatest Indian epics in Sanskrit, follows in short. The Yaksha -- Celestial Spirit, Guardian of Treasure -- asked King Yudhishtra -- The Wise, Just and Truthful Warrior -- a riddle: "What is the most astonishing thing in the world?" Completely intrepid -- although aware of the wrath of the Yaksha should his answer be wrong -- King Yudhishtra replied: "The strangest thing in the world is that people see others die daily, they even take their relatives to the cemetry, but everyone of them suffers from the delusion that they themselves are going to live for ever! Death is meant only for others!! Yet, the only certainty in life is death! Why do we all suffer from this delusion of our permanence? This is the most astonishing thing in the world." If there can be a lifelong "grand" delusion about such a grave matter -- pun intended! -- the "petit" delusion in regard to the illusion of wealth is neither here nor there! Background According to Indian mythology, the Yakshas are celestial beings -- generally benevolent although prone to fiery temper and total destruction -- bestowed with magical powers, who are the guardians of treasures of the earth and in the cosmos. Kuber is the king of the Yakshas. They make occasional visits to the earth, and jealously guard their privacy and prefer to avoid contact with the mortal beings. Humans, who run into the Yakshas by chance, do so at their own peril, for the Yakshas can be temperamental. These chance encounters may lead to something fortunate, or something unpleasant if not altogether terrible, for the humans often depending upon the latter's ability to provide satisfactory responses to the riddles posed by the Yaksha. Correct responses to the riddles usually involve a logic or wisdom that is typically beyond the reach of most mortal human beings. The phrase "Yaksha-Prashn" literally means questions or riddles posed by a Yaksha, and in the Indian literature, refer to exasperating or insurmountable challenges. [ENDS] We are grateful to all sources for the information presented. We welcome your thoughts, observations and views. Best wishes DK Matai -- ATCA, The Philanthropia, mi2g, HQR -- This is an "ATCA Open and Philanthropia Socratic Dialogue." The "ATCA Open" network on Facebook and LinkedIn is for professionals interested in ATCA's original global aims, working with ATCA step-by- step across the world, or developing tools supporting ATCA's objectives to build a better world. The original ATCA -- Asymmetric Threats Contingency Alliance -- is a philanthropic expert initiative founded in 2001 to resolve complex global challenges through collective Socratic dialogue and joint executive action to build a wisdom based global economy. Adhering to the doctrine of non-violence, ATCA addresses asymmetric threats and social opportunities arising from climate chaos and the environment; radical poverty and microfinance; geo-politics and energy; organised crime & extremism; advanced technologies -- bio, info, nano, robo & AI; demographic skews and resource shortages; pandemics; financial systems and systemic risk; as well as transhumanism and ethics. Present membership of the original ATCA network is by invitation only and has over 5,000 distinguished members from over 120 countries: including 1,000 Parliamentarians; 1,500 Chairmen and CEOs of corporations; 1,000 Heads of NGOs; 750 Directors at Academic Centres of Excellence; 500 Inventors and Original thinkers; as well as 250 Editors-in-Chief of major media. The Philanthropia, founded in 2005, brings together over 1,000 leading individual and private philanthropists, family offices, foundations, private banks, non-governmental organisations and specialist advisors to address complex global challenges such as countering climate chaos, reducing radical poverty and developing global leadership for the younger generation through the appliance of science and technology, leveraging acumen and finance, as well as encouraging collaboration with a strong commitment to ethics. Philanthropia emphasises multi- faith spiritual values: introspection, healthy living and ecology. Philanthropia Targets: Countering climate chaos and carbon neutrality; Eliminating radical poverty -- through micro-credit schemes, empowerment of women and more responsible capitalism; Leadership for the Younger Generation; and Corporate and social responsibility. 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Comments:" iontudormath December 27, 2008 3:12 am Leave a Message iontudormath December 27, 2008 2:41 am " RECESSIONS AT DEMAND OF UNDERGROUND ECONOMY, WHICH JOKING WITH CAPITAL MARKETS FROM ENTIRE WORLD"- by ION TUDOR "OBAMA GOOD MEASURE CARS, RETAILERS, JOBS, REFOUND, CAPITALIZED MANY CORPORATION"- by ION TUDOR " OBAMA, NOW UNDER THREATNESS OF UNDERGROUND ECONOMY BANKING (NO "COSA NOSTRA")"- by ION TUDOR " FASCISM OF EUROPE PREPARED FOR WAR AGAINST UNDERGROUND ECONOMY&BANKING"- by ION TUDOR Leave a Message iontudormath December 27, 2008 2:23 am "RECESSIONS AT DEMAND" -by ION TUDOR "PLOTING AGAINST WORLD ECONOMY, STATE, PEOPLES, EUROPE FASCIST PREPARING FOR WAR AGAINST UNDERGROUND ECONOMY - WHO GIVE OR RETRAITED CAPITAL, JOKING WIT WHOLE WORLD MARKETS" -by ION TUDOR;Excuse me, iontudormath disturb for : 2) Dr.Matai sir, Yasuhiko Genku Mikura, Cynthia, Liz (I beg you to excuse me for do not know entire name for all), as I told to Dr. DK Matai, sooner, two or many economic systhems level'it i floors like in "Implicate Order"-by David Bohm, apparently unconnected or opposite, have in fact discret links and at the "first economic(like even quantum, in bohmian acception) level"-known in "real world"- are subposed an "like implicate order", structered on minimum two level (existential floor), in acord with our deterministic existential floors, floating on the Ocean of universal indetermination, first attaching with DESTINY, second associeted with FREE WILL- auto cited ION C. TUDOR from articles& in principal from "Mysteries of Time - A Theory of Transcendence", at site "KINGDOM OF TIME" -www.transcendental. gmail.com, URL = http: / / sites. google. com/ site/ mysteriesoftime, please download this book in format.pdf, by right click and 3-rth or 4-rth line left click, last aprox. 30 pages being write in my bad english with Anexe1,2,3,4(Appendi x); Continuing the under levels idea, when bottom levels need money, for ocult offers, to perssons, presidential campaigns or secret services, found migrates from surface to bottom levels -leadership, like: templars- M12-sionists banckers, i. e. in the Top; Top imply ocultated decisions, which induced science trends, religion trends, war trends, at top convenience. 3) About control of population, the survey of individ -you did'n't knew how many data was collected&archived by our humble perssons; threats ceed at two or three threats by death hiself or families- But my tuffer increased proportional with threatness by death(1&half years, adding five years comunists security pressure) at; Exerpting my humble persson, I think mankind will have no time to migrate in space in shuttles, rockets, saucers, Why? Increase speed, must build increasing powerfull engines; that suppose increased durity of shields, artif. grav. A sollution seems to be a vortex in space-time, in my oppinion described in the Anexe 1,3(Appendix) of mentioned book; synergethic solutions could be possible to cumul energies; 4) avoid direct contact by virtual computer with level furnished you services, apparently for nothing; you'll become slaves with ID in order; visit my google page and see an avoiding sign On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 12:25 AM, ion tudor wrote: Mr. Dr. Matai, sir, I thanks to you - in the first time - your humble iontudormath - for admited me in HQR, and at least, on "KINGDOM OF TIME" - http: / / sites. google. com/ site/ mysteriesoftime, where I posted "Mysteries of Time -A Theory of Transcendence" -by ION C. TUDOR, is representative in HQR: 1)The small investors are a soubteraine rope, govrned by unknown rules in the normal world -and explination for adaptative reaction is the responding of Holographic principle, and Anexa(Appendix)2, wrote in my bad english, demonstrate this Holographic Principle, functining fractalic, is obviouss the chain of transmition to small investitor; the reciprocal is true even in economy ; the lots of "small"investors lift up through this subtarrain (and is not "cosa nostra") network conducting to the top point7 reversal reaction assured fractalic transmission along this network, functioning like an organism, were the non-locality placed informations are instantaniouss installed in the whole organism; remember me into the next mail, to envolve relativity in my explanations, I hope my answer will be satisffied, Mr.Dr. Matai,sir On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:24 PM, e c robillard wrote: DK, Cynthia, Yasuhiko and all just a PS to my last post; I've come to my way of thinking after the best part of 35 years in seclusion / isolation due to fear of people and their assumptions, attitudes and cruelty. I've had rather a lot of time to study. If I could do anything now, to help the world, it would be to ensure all children have access to clean water and schools and to teach them -all children- agriculture, philosophy, science and the need for population control. Happy Holidays Elizabeth 2008/12/20 DK Matai Dear Cynthia, Yasuhiko and Liz Thank you for your outstanding comments. Much food for thought and still absorbing. Love DK with family On 20 Dec, 21:52, "Yasuhiko Genku Kimura" wrote: Dear DK: Delusion means "playing false with thought" while illusion means "playing false with perception" (and collusion means collective delusion or illusion). The delusion of wealth therefore is the false thought vis-à-vis what wealth is. Paper money, which originated as bank note or promissory note, is not real wealth, nor are financial instruments that are traded. This confusion of the real and the unreal is the source of the delusion of wealth. Unfortunately there are people in power who exploit this common delusion or collusion to their own advantage. Throughout the course of the current financial meltdown or breakdown, no real wealth has been lost. What is happening is a balancing process of readjustment in the relative valuation of real wealth as exchangeable assets. If the governments resist the temptation of interference in the form of various bail-out schemes, economy will relatively quickly recover and reach normalcy—the balanced equation of wealth/asset and its valuation. As you know, I compared the current economic breakdown with common cold and drug addiction. In terms of the latter, what we are experiencing is a withdrawal syndrome from the addiction of printing (counterfeit) paper money or of inflation. If we can endure the discomfort (in this case extreme discomfort) of this withdrawal syndrome together, we will be fine sooner than later. Thank you for the instructive anecdote from the Mahabharata. Sadly after many centuries of living on this planet we have not evolved much. The delusion/collusion of impermanence continues. You and I can analyze this and write books on the subject, but the fact does not change that humanity at large remains metaphysically asleep. What you and I can do is to be awake and to be an example of wakeful consciousness to the best of our ability and to invite as many people as possible to this open-ended evolutionary journey of awakening and transformation. In friendship, Yasuhiko Genku Kimura ge...@via-visioninac tion.org www. via-visioninaction. org Vision without action is empty. Action without vision is blind. Opinion and ideology divide. Quest and commitment unite. -------------- Original message from DK Matai : -------------- Dear Friends We were asked the other day about why the delusion of wealth persists? For example, ordinary investors watch a Madoff "Ponzi scheme" hedge fund collapse taking USD 50bn into a black hole and many stock market quoted companies lose 99% of their market capitalisation, ie, go from USD 25 bn to less than 500 mn. Yet, ordinary investors feel somehow that they will come good in all of their stock market bets and they diligently commit more funds to speculation on the markets just as -- the pied piper of Omaha -- Warren Buffett utters, "When others are greedy be fearful, and when others are fearful be greedy!" This reminds one of the teachings of The Great Spiritual Masters "On the Impermanence of Life and Wealth" by way of a revealing anecdote from The Mahabharata. The Socratic (truth seeking) dialogue between His Majesty King Yudhishtra and the Celestial Spirit "Yaksha" in the Mahabharata (circa 3,100 BC), one of the greatest Indian epics in Sanskrit, follows in short. The Yaksha -- Celestial Spirit, Guardian of Treasure -- asked King Yudhishtra -- The Wise, Just and Truthful Warrior -- a riddle: "What is the most astonishing thing in the world?" Completely intrepid -- although aware of the wrath of the Yaksha should his answer be wrong -- King Yudhishtra replied: "The strangest thing in the world is that people see others die daily, they even take their relatives to the cemetry, but everyone of them suffers from the delusion that they themselves are going to live for ever! Death is meant only for others!! Yet, the only certainty in life is death! Why do we all suffer from this delusion of our permanence? This is the most astonishing thing in the world." If there can be a lifelong "grand" delusion about such a grave matter -- pun intended! -- the "petit" delusion in regard to the illusion of wealth is neither here nor there! Background According to Indian mythology, the Yakshas are celestial beings -- generally benevolent although prone to fiery temper and total destruction -- bestowed with magical powers, who are the guardians of treasures of the earth and in the cosmos. Kuber is the king of the Yakshas. They make occasional visits to the earth, and jealously guard their privacy and prefer to avoid contact with the mortal beings. Humans, who run into the Yakshas by chance, do so at their own peril, for the Yakshas can be temperamental. These chance encounters may lead to something fortunate, or something unpleasant if not altogether terrible, for the humans often depending upon the latter's ability to provide satisfactory responses to the riddles posed by the Yaksha. Correct responses to the riddles usually involve a logic or wisdom that is typically beyond the reach of most mortal human beings. The phrase "Yaksha-Prashn" literally means questions or riddles posed by a Yaksha, and in the Indian literature, refer to exasperating or insurmountable challenges. [ENDS] We are grateful to all sources for the information presented. We welcome your thoughts, observations and views. Best wishes DK Matai -- ATCA, The Philanthropia, mi2g, HQR -- This is an "ATCA Open and Philanthropia Socratic Dialogue." The "ATCA Open" network on Facebook and LinkedIn is for professionals interested in ATCA's original global aims, working with ATCA step-by- step across the world, or developing tools supporting ATCA's objectives to build a better world. The original ATCA -- Asymmetric Threats Contingency Alliance -- is a philanthropic expert initiative founded in 2001 to resolve complex global challenges through collective Socratic dialogue and joint executive action to build a wisdom based global economy. Adhering to the doctrine of non-violence, ATCA addresses asymmetric threats and social opportunities arising from climate chaos and the environment; radical poverty and microfinance; geo-politics and energy; organised crime & extremism; advanced technologies -- bio, info, nano, robo & AI; demographic skews and resource shortages; pandemics; financial systems and systemic risk; as well as transhumanism and ethics. Present membership of the original ATCA network is by invitation only and has over 5,000 distinguished members from over 120 countries: including 1,000 Parliamentarians; 1,500 Chairmen and CEOs of corporations; 1,000 Heads of NGOs; 750 Directors at Academic Centres of Excellence; 500 Inventors and Original thinkers; as well as 250 Editors-in-Chief of major media. 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I do no deny that there really could be a glass dome on Moon -- if you can really see that in their photos, which I cannot -- but I argue that they could very easily be natural bubbles of magma. and so forth. like the 911truth folks, they do find interesting anomalies, that invite explanatioj; they just never really try to, unless it involves Trickier Dick Cheeny! thus: Keizer weems to have reputable publications in the literature, but I see viturally nothing on your webblog. it is certainly news to me, that Dirac was a reductionist, or that he "solved the periodical table with his mechanics," wrongly or not; how do *you* account for the allegedly missing antimatter? there is nothing wrong with the theory of strings, in spite of the recent booklength diatribes from PI dans Quebec equalment trois, that is not already a connundrum in Kaluza-Klein theory in 5D -- and, that was due solely to Klein's interpretation of "the math." as for any "time paradox," it only exists in "hard SF" and the nonsequiter of "travel in time;" travel *requires* time, or it's just dreamtime. make-up your own sort of five-dimensional (or "4+1 D.") spaces, and *then* bitch about canonicals. The new approach is free of the so-called «time paradox», modeling Nature --http: / / www. canonicalscience. org/ thus: Darfur, which is about 100 per cent Muslim, and is on the encroahing end of the Sahara, called Sahel -- see my sigfile! in places where nationalism isnt popular thus: yeah, or a "hyperpoint," or a hypoplane? is a line segment the closed convex hull of a finite set in R? thus: you should study the brachistochrone of Liebniz, Bornoulli, Huygens, Fermat et al, because it is all downhill from "Forsooth, I have got a formula." just because I reply, does not mean that I believe that you are in any way serious or sincere. if you insist, the Copenhagenschool parody of Schroedinger's Headgasket is not the sine qua non plus ultra of "existential predeterminacy," mod Heisenberg's, may be I'll just laugh & quit this thread. I am not the least practiced in Liebniz' calculus, but I can still not pretend that you are, either, based upon your limpwristed premonition of fuzzy logic. now, if the "space deforms according the existential function, f, or the integral, F," you would still have to do some math and establish this mysterious operator. all mathematical objects are ideals; one reifies the math at one's own peril -- or the general laughter of the Peanut Gallery. It would be very easy to calculate relativistic corrections using existential indeterminacy. It is an almost elementary exercise, as is the precession of planetary perihelions. These things become very easy to calculate. --only 24 hours to impeach Trickier Dick from the N.Admin, metaphorically typing, or Cheeny & Zbiggy, fo'mo' years; Good Morning, Afghanistan! ... Good Afternoon, Sudan! http: / / tarpley. net/ bush12. htm http: / / wlym. com/ campaigner/ 8011. pdf -- Brits hate Shakes, Why? http: / / www. wlym. com/ ~seattle/ dynamis/ http: / / www. 21stcenturysciencete ch. com/ current. html http: / / www. rwgrayprojects. com/ synergetics/ plates/ plates. html http: / / mathdl. maa. org/ mathDL/ 46/ ? pa=content& sa=viewDocument& nodeId=3163 http: / / wlym. com/ campaigner/ 8011. pdf Răspundeţi Răspundeţi autorului Redirecţionare 26. LudovicoVan Vizualizaţi profil Mai multe opţiuni 24 Dec, 09:36 On 24 Dec, 05:33, spudnik wrote: these "other people" or creatures will just have to communicate, using physics that are known to us. Sure, unless they happen to meet you first. Alien: "Peace. My name equals Alienz." Spudnik: "Good Morning, Afghanistan!" -LV Răspundeţi Răspundeţi autorului Redirecţionare 27. David Bernier spudnik wrote: there are no phenomena requiring FLT/travel-in-time, than Hard SF novels; see Heinlein's very last book! these "other people" or creatures will just have to communicate, using physics that are known to us. unfortunately, these folks like Ed Mithcell, a 33rd degree Freemason supposedly, as told by one of the Face and Genitals on Mars gorupoid, have a difficult deal of simply recalling, what occured during their landings. obviously, this is because it was such an all-out weird/high experience, although certainly akin to swimming in a drysuit, without the hydraulics ... but these Moon Architecture folks, think it was because they were debriefed/hypnotized /whatever. About physics, around 1890-1905, there was a real dispute between physicists/astronome rs and geologists about the age of the earth. At the end of the 1800's, some physicists or mathematical physicists calculated that the sun could not shine for 100 million, 200 M, ... 500 million years [roughly]. As a result, they thought the geologists were wrong about the minimum age of the earth. This is discussed in a chapter of a book on science by Henri Poincaré. Later, with atomic and H-bombs, there was proof that there was more to physics than gravity and electromagnetism: e.g. nuclear physics and fusion reactions; that's now the accepted explanation for the sun shining for billions of years. The video below could be a fake event, lunatics, a hoax "disclosure" from the CIA by real CIA agents, a CGI film made with a cluster of supercomputers, etc. etc. http: / / www. youtube. com/ watch? v=7vyVe-6YdUk but it's good entertainment... David Bernier 24 Dec, 12:56 28. Jon Slaughter Vizualizaţi profil Mai multe opţiuni 24 Dec, 11:06 "LudovicoVan" wrote in message news:ef53a 3ab-8dcd-4ec6-8b4e-7 46681e999f6@x16g2000 prn.googlegroups.com ... - Afişare text în citat - That is different. We are talking about the ability to communicate and not the need. We do not know if a super intelligent species will have the need to communicate with us or not. If we use our own experiences we would say yes because we try to communicate with lower life forms... we do this to learn for our own survival. In some sense if the species is super intelligent we would expect them to have some desire to learn and hence understand that even lower life forms offer something in some way. No matter how lo

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Ma bazez pe voi sa traduceti ceva misto pentru prietenii americani; Multumesc mult; " Plese, accept my frienship and spot the following message through whole your conyacts and frins or fanilies; this message is in opposition wiyj=h the previouss, cause I NEED to BE IMPARTIAL; basics all human have same rights, this was, and will be ny conviction, else you never saw me "to the end of TIME", like a beautifull "Queen"'s song - sing (Frredy Mercury, course, this huge personality of ROCK); in the same note, L&G, follows "Prophets Song- May, Mercury": body text: " In Romanian, from TEL AVIV, sent Andrei Sivasanu, Bnei Baruch 'University', leading: prof. Laitman, by teaching of "Prophet", BAAL HA SULAM; (need translation romanian to english), message to entire trans personalRO@yahoogrou ps.com, "the best yahoogroup of year"-experimenting inflenced whole mindes, because, and themselves saying: "bad time; approaching", and the his title:"THE DIVINE CONSPIRATION", in fond suggest ""GOD's bad, DEVIL is good "" Then Kabballah teach: "GOD is bad? DEVILS are good?" DEVILS and goodness, you heard about? The same article induce onjustified panic , claiming:"World will ended in chaos", " fascism will fleurished"; and others stupid "predictions" - cause devil teach STATISTICS and PROBABILITIES, "Will have third and (maybe-BAAL HA SULAM is noy sure), will have 3-th and maybe 4th NOOK WORLD WARS" ,claim BAAL HA SULAM, teaching at TEL AVIV, at Bnei Baruch 'University'to prof Laitman and stugents in "SCIENCE"of KABBALLAH; I'll give to you the original message (in romanian);you could appels RomaniansComunities, for an most accurate translations; the body text: Adrian Silvasanu wrote: Colapsul financiar este inevitabil. Intr-o societate bazata pe profit, cineva intotdeauna va castiga si cineva intotdeauna va pierde. Si pentru ca cei care castiga devin mai puternici, este usor pentru ei sa castige si mai mult: mai multi bani si mai multa putere, in defavoarea celorlalti. Aceasta tendinta exista in toate societatile de pe pamant, prin urmare majoritatea bogatiei si puterii sunt intotdeauna concentrate in mainile unei infime minoritati. Ar fi rezonabil sa crezi ca aceasta deformatie sociala este rezultatul oamenilor corupti, ori a unui regim corupt, ori a unei structuri sociale corupte.. Dar ceea ce ramane este faptul ca indiferent de regim, indiferent de structura sociala si indiferent care oameni sunt la putere, toti perpetueaza acelasi model de baza prin care o minoritate bogata si puternica controleaza majoritatea. De aici apare intrebarea: “ Putem noi crea o structura justa si sustinuta care nu se bazeaza pe dorinta de profit? Raspunsul este “Nu”. Dorinta pentu profit este inerenta naturii umane si este motivatia fundamentala pentru tot ceea ce facem. In adevar, dorinta pentru profit este o alta cale de a intreba , “ Ce-mi iese mie?” Fara un castig, nu am fi capabili sa facem nimic, cu atat mai putin sa cream o structura sociala sustinuta. De fapt, dorinta de a castiga, si in special dorinta pentru superioritate este atat de evidenta, incat pare ca este o conspiratie Divina aici, o structura interioara, facuta in asa fel incat sa nu o putem infrange pentru ca este chiar natura noastra. Daca cercetezi scrierile cabalistilor contemporani, ca Baal HaSulam si altii, vei afla ca toti au confirmat aceasta enigma si au atentionat asupra acestui defect inerent naturii umane de secole. Mai mult, Baal HaSulam a declarat ca daca nu vom gasi un alt motiv alternativ pentu actiunile noastre, vom sfarsi intr-un haos total. Rezultatul dezordinii politice va naste regimuri fasciste si ruptura de durata dintre tari va culmina cu un al treilea sau un al patrulea razboi nuclear mondial. In timp ce aceste predictii pareau depasite cand au fost pentru prima data scrise, cu 60 de ani in urma, astazi ele par mult prea probabile pentru noi ca sa le ignoram. Criza, conform Cabalei, nu consta in prabusirea sistemului monetar. Criza este un simptom al naturii noastre egoiste. De aceea, solutia pentru toate crizele, incluzand cea actuala, consta in schimbarea naturii noastre dintr-o natura orientata spre profit intr-una orientata spre impartasirea reciproca.. La sfarsitul zilei, nu exista nicio problema care sa nu fie un rezultat al naturii noastre egoiste. Orice actiune pe care o facem trebuie sa urmareasca producerea unor bunuri. Aceasta este o trasatura normala. Dar daca putem schimba orientarea nostra de la beneficiul propriu la beneficiul colectiv, atunci nu vom crea doar o societate de colaborare intrinseca, dar bunastarea interioara a fiecaruia va fi garantata chiar de colectiv. Cu alte cuvinte, nu va trebui sa ne aparam singuri; intreaga societate o face pentru noi, iar noi, la fel, o vom face pentru intreaga societate. Intr-o asa societate, toate mecanismele de reglementare, fortele armate, constrangerile legale si colectarea taxelor vor fi de prisos. Crimele nu vor mai exista pentru ca nimeni nu va mai vrea sa raneasca o alta persoana. Din contra, oamenii nu vor vrea decat sa imparta si sa daruiasca. In mod natural, o mare cantitate de resurse si de oameni vor fi liberi sa se angajeze in intreprinderi de colaborare sociala. In cativa ani, lumea va fi atat de profund schimbata incat ne vom uita inapoi la zilele de exploatare si nu ne va veni sa credem cat de orbi am fost. Dar pentru a schimba natura umana de la una inerent egoista la una inerent integrala, ne trebuie o metoda care sa nu aiba legatura cu noi, asa incat sa nu ne sprijinim pe modul de operare egoist. Aici intelepciunea Cabalei ne vine in ajutor. Cabala este o stiinta care foloseste structurile integrale deja existente in natura indivizilor si asupra societatii umane in general. In toata natura, oamenii sunt singurele fiinte egoiste. Atomi, molecule, celule si organe toate colaboreaza in sisteme mai mari decat ele insele. Asa se intampla cu plantele si animalele. Totul in natura se potriveste perfect cu locul lui in sistem. Cu exceptia omului. Ai putea sa intrebi, “ De ce am fost construiti in contrast cu sistemul din care facem parte?” Raspunsul este, “ Nu exista o alta cale de a invata despre un sistem atunci cand esti in el.” Scopul vietii noastre nu este de a-i domina pe altii, este de a intelege si de a deveni integrati constient in natura cuprinzatoare. Intelepciunea Cabalei este o intelepciune a integrarii. Tehnicile ei ne permit sa aflam gradual locul nostru in univers, si pas cu pas sa ne integram in el. Articol preluat din ziarul KabToday si tradus de Angela Tipa Cu respect,Adrian http: / / groups. yahoo.com/ group/BB_ Kabbalah_ RO/ __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Polls | Calendar ******************** ********** IN ATENTIA MEMBRILOR ARPT !! 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CASES OF SPIES/TERORISTS, ARMY DON'T DENY:"FROM New York TIME Archive"- DK Matai, Dr. IBM, Philantropist, founding many fellowships, like ATCA, which began to kill, for his objective-GLOBALIZAT ION-by ION C. TUDOR; I attach the next "as is": " ~--~----~----------- -~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Holistic Quantum Relativity (HQR)" group. To post to this group, send email to holistic- quant um-relativity-hqr@go oglegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to holistic-quantum-rel ativity-hqr +unsub scribe@googlegroups. com For more options, visit this group at http: / / groups. google. co. uk/ group/ holistic-quantum-rel ativity-hqr? hl=en -~----------~----~-- --~----~------~----~ ------~--~--- ion t P.S. enjoy the real answers, like, entire word comunity - Show quoted text - Reply Forward Your message has been sent. ion tudor to holistic-quant. show details 1:00 PM (3 hours ago) Reply Leave a Message iontudormath December 27, 2008 2:41 am " RECESSIONS AT DEMAND OF UNDERGROUND ECONOMY, WHICH JOKING WITH CAPITAL MARKETS FROM ENTIRE WORLD"- by ION TUDOR "OBAMA GOOD MEASURE CARS, RETAILERS, JOBS, REFOUND, CAPITALIZED MANY CORPORATION"- by ION TUDOR " OBAMA, NOW UNDER THREATNESS OF UNDERGROUND ECONOMY BANKING (NO "COSA NOSTRA")"- by ION TUDOR " FASCISM OF EUROPE PREPARED FOR WAR AGAINST UNDERGROUND ECONOMY&BANKING"- by ION TUDOR Leave a Message iontudormath December 27, 2008 2:23 am "RECESSIONS AT DEMAND" -by ION TUDOR "PLOTING AGAINST WORLD ECONOMY, STATE, PEOPLES, EUROPE FASCIST PREPARING FOR WAR AGAINST UNDERGROUND ECONOMY - WHO GIVE OR RETRAITED CAPITAL, JOKING WIT WHOLE WORLD MARKETS" -by ION TUDOR;Excuse me, iontudormath disturb for : 2) Dr.Matai sir, Yasuhiko Genku Mikura, Cynthia, Liz (I beg you to excuse me for do not know entire name for all), as I told to Dr. DK Matai, sooner, two or many economic systhems level'it i floors like in "Implicate Order"-by David Bohm, apparently unconnected or opposite, have in fact discret links and at the "first economic(like even quantum, in bohmian acception) level"-known in "real world"- are subposed an "like implicate order", structered on minimum two level (existential floor), in acord with our deterministic existential floors, floating on the Ocean of universal indetermination, first attaching with DESTINY, second associeted with FREE WILL- auto cited ION C. TUDOR from articles& in principal from "Mysteries of Time - A Theory of Transcendence", at site "KINGDOM OF TIME" -www.transcendental. gmail.com, URL = http: / / sites. google. com/ site/ mysteriesoftime, please download this book in format.pdf, by right click and 3-rth or 4- rth line left click, last aprox. 30 pages being write in my bad english with Anexe1,2,3,4(Appendi x); Continuing the under levels idea, when bottom levels need money, for ocult offers, to perssons, presidential campaigns or secret services, found migrates from surface to bottom levels -leadership, like: templars- M12-sionists banckers, i. e. in the Top; Top imply ocultated decisions, which induced science trends, religion trends, war trends, at top convenience. 3) About control of population, the survey of individ -you did'n't knew how many data was collected&archived by our humble perssons; threats ceed at two or three threats by death hiself or families- But my tuffer increased proportional with threatness by death(1&half years, adding five years comunists security pressure) at; Exerpting my humble persson, I think mankind will have no time to migrate in space in shuttles, rockets, saucers, Why? Increase speed, must build increasing powerfull engines; that suppose increased durity of shields, artif. grav. A sollution seems to be a vortex in space-time, in my oppinion described in the Anexe 1,3(Appendix) of mentioned book; synergethic solutions could be possible to cumul energies; 4) avoid direct contact by virtual computer with level furnished you services, apparently for nothing; you'll become slaves with ID in order; visit my google page and see an avoiding sign On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 12:25 AM, ion tudor wrote: Mr. Dr. Matai, sir, I thanks to you - in the first time - your humble iontudormath - for admited me in HQR, and at least, on "KINGDOM OF TIME" -http: / / sites. google. com/ site/ mysteriesoftime, where I posted "Mysteries of Time -A Theory of Transcendence" -by ION C. TUDOR, is representative in HQR: 1)The small investors are a soubteraine rope, govrned by unknown rules in the normal world -and explination for adaptative reaction is the responding of Holographic principle, and Anexa(Appendix)2, wrote in my bad english, demonstrate this Holographic Principle, functining fractalic, is obviouss the chain of transmition to small investitor; the reciprocal is true even in economy ; the lots of "small"investors lift up through this subtarrain (and is not "cosa nostra") network conducting to the top point7 reversal reaction assured fractalic transmission along this network, functioning like an organism, were the non-locality placed informations are instantaniouss installed in the whole organism; remember me into the next mail, to envolve relativity in my explanations, I hope my answer will be satisffied, Mr.Dr. Matai,sir On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:24 PM, e c robillard wrote: DK, Cynthia, Yasuhiko and all just a PS to my last post; I've come to my way of thinking after the best part of 35 years in seclusion / isolation due to fear of people and their assumptions, attitudes and cruelty. I've had rather a lot of time to study. If I could do anything now, to help the world, it would be to ensure all children have access to clean water and schools and to teach them -all children- agriculture, philosophy, science and the need for population control. Happy Holidays Elizabeth 2008/12/20 DK Matai Dear Cynthia, Yasuhiko and Liz Thank you for your outstanding comments. Much food for thought and still absorbing. Love DK with family On 20 Dec, 21:52, "Yasuhiko Genku Kimura" wrote: Dear DK: Delusion means "playing false with thought" while illusion means "playing false with perception" (and collusion means collective delusion or illusion). The delusion of wealth therefore is the false thought vis-à-vis what wealth is. Paper money, which originated as bank note or promissory note, is not real wealth, nor are financial instruments that are traded. This confusion of the real and the unreal is the source of the delusion of wealth. Unfortunately there are people in power who exploit this common delusion or collusion to their own advantage. Throughout the course of the current financial meltdown or breakdown, no real wealth has been lost. What is happening is a balancing process of readjustment in the relative valuation of real wealth as exchangeable assets. If the governments resist the temptation of interference in the form of various bail-out schemes, economy will relatively quickly recover and reach normalcy—the balanced equation of wealth/asset and its valuation. As you know, I compared the current economic breakdown with common cold and drug addiction. In terms of the latter, what we are experiencing is a withdrawal syndrome from the addiction of printing (counterfeit) paper money or of inflation. If we can endure the discomfort (in this case extreme discomfort) of this withdrawal syndrome together, we will be fine sooner than later. Thank you for the instructive anecdote from the Mahabharata. Sadly after many centuries of living on this planet we have not evolved much. The delusion/collusion of impermanence continues. You and I can analyze this and write books on the subject, but the fact does not change that humanity at large remains metaphysically asleep. What you and I can do is to be awake and to be an example of wakeful consciousness to the best of our ability and to invite as many people as possible to this open-ended evolutionary journey of awakening and transformation. In friendship, Yasuhiko Genku Kimura ge...@via-visioninac tion.org www. via-visioninaction. orgVision without action is empty. Action without vision is blind. Opinion and ideology divide. Quest and commitment unite. -------------- Original message from DK Matai : -------------- Dear Friends We were asked the other day about why the delusion of wealth persists? For example, ordinary investors watch a Madoff "Ponzi scheme" hedge fund collapse taking USD 50bn into a black hole and many stock market quoted companies lose 99% of their market capitalisation, ie, go from USD 25 bn to less than 500 mn. Yet, ordinary investors feel somehow that they will come good in all of their stock market bets and they diligently commit more funds to speculation on the markets just as -- the pied piper of Omaha -- Warren Buffett utters, "When others are greedy be fearful, and when others are fearful be greedy!" This reminds one of the teachings of The Great Spiritual Masters "On the Impermanence of Life and Wealth" by way of a revealing anecdote from The Mahabharata. The Socratic (truth seeking) dialogue between His Majesty King Yudhishtra and the Celestial Spirit "Yaksha" in the Mahabharata (circa 3,100 BC), one of the greatest Indian epics in Sanskrit, follows in short. The Yaksha -- Celestial Spirit, Guardian of Treasure -- asked King Yudhishtra -- The Wise, Just and Truthful Warrior -- a riddle: "What is the most astonishing thing in the world?" Completely intrepid -- although aware of the wrath of the Yaksha should his answer be wrong -- King Yudhishtra replied: "The strangest thing in the world is that people see others die daily, they even take their relatives to the cemetry, but everyone of them suffers from the delusion that they themselves are going to live for ever! Death is meant only for others!! Yet, the only certainty in life is death! Why do we all suffer from this delusion of our permanence? This is the most astonishing thing in the world." If there can be a lifelong "grand" delusion about such a grave matter -- pun intended! -- the "petit" delusion in regard to the illusion of wealth is neither here nor there! Background According to Indian mythology, the Yakshas are celestial beings -- generally benevolent although prone to fiery temper and total destruction -- bestowed with magical powers, who are the guardians of treasures of the earth and in the cosmos. Kuber is the king of the Yakshas. They make occasional visits to the earth, and jealously guard their privacy and prefer to avoid contact with the mortal beings. Humans, who run into the Yakshas by chance, do so at their own peril, for the Yakshas can be temperamental. These chance encounters may lead to something fortunate, or something unpleasant if not altogether terrible, for the humans often depending upon the latter's ability to provide satisfactory responses to the riddles posed by the Yaksha. Correct responses to the riddles usually involve a logic or wisdom that is typically beyond the reach of most mortal human beings. The phrase "Yaksha-Prashn" literally means questions or riddles posed by a Yaksha, and in the Indian literature, refer to exasperating or insurmountable challenges. [ENDS] We are grateful to all sources for the information presented. We welcome your thoughts, observations and views. Best wishes DK Matai -- ATCA, The Philanthropia, mi2g, HQR -- This is an "ATCA Open and Philanthropia Socratic Dialogue." The "ATCA Open" network on Facebook and LinkedIn is for professionals interested in ATCA's original global aims, working with ATCA step-by- step across the world, or developing tools supporting ATCA's objectives to build a better world. The original ATCA -- Asymmetric Threats Contingency Alliance -- is a philanthropic expert initiative founded in 2001 to resolve complex global challenges through collective Socratic dialogue and joint executive action to build a wisdom based global economy. Adhering to the doctrine of non-violence, ATCA addresses asymmetric threats and social opportunities arising from climate chaos and the environment; radical poverty and microfinance; geo-politics and energy; organised crime & extremism; advanced technologies -- bio, info, nano, robo & AI; demographic skews and resource shortages; pandemics; financial systems and systemic risk; as well as transhumanism and ethics. Present membership of the original ATCA network is by invitation only and has over 5,000 distinguished members from over 120 countries: including 1,000 Parliamentarians; 1,500 Chairmen and CEOs of corporations; 1,000 Heads of NGOs; 750 Directors at Academic Centres of Excellence; 500 Inventors and Original thinkers; as well as 250 Editors-in-Chief of major media. The Philanthropia, founded in 2005, brings together over 1,000 leading individual and private philanthropists, family offices, foundations, private banks, non-governmental organisations and specialist advisors to address complex global challenges such as countering climate chaos, reducing radical poverty and developing global leadership for the younger generation through the appliance of science and technology, leveraging acumen and finance, as well as encouraging collaboration with a strong commitment to ethics. Philanthropia emphasises multi- faith spiritual values: introspection, healthy living and ecology. Philanthropia Targets: Countering climate chaos and carbon neutrality; Eliminating radical poverty -- through micro-credit schemes, empowerment of women and more responsible capitalism; Leadership for the Younger Generation; and Corporate and social responsibility. 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